How could our society allow this?

[v10kingsnake]

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20081114/Safe.Haven/

[MiSdIrEcTeD_1]

I can almost understand someone giving up a newborn. It may in fact be the right thing to do for some people... But a 5 year old??

Im telling you... Its time to pack... Torquemonster wants new neighbors... :yep:

[N2 TRBL]

hola Mexico:leaving:

[Floorin04]

not sure how people are able to just drop them off and go about their so called worthless life.

[QUICKV10]

If state law and govt. allow children to be abandoned. We should also be allowed to put restrictions on these kinds of parents.

I've always felt that if you can not afford to have children, then you shouldn't be able to reproduce.Its a huge burden on society these people that have childen, but can not give them a future.

[v10kingsnake]

I have a 6 year old and a 4 yr old. They are like your best friends when they get that age. How anyone could do that to their own should be stoned to death. There are better ways to get help if your not able to properly care for these kids then chosing the abandonment route.

[chef]

It is thanks to a disposable attitude. Over the last 20 years we have seen a marked decrease in the social fabric that makes up this country. Not just morals, but the decrease in the nuclear family, the ethics of business, failure of government to perform. In the past divorce was not heard of; it was something that wasn't considered a right thing to do. You worked something out, but it was within the family.

Now we have families with two moms, two dads, and a guy who claims to be a girl having kids. We let the TV mind the kids, and Jerry Springer, Judge Judy, and what else there is teach the standards we all were not exposed to.

Are their times to drop the kids off? If needed I'd rather see that than a kid abused. But a family is to be together not splintered. I've seen my parents argue, we all have. But there are other options than dump the kids at the shelter and go back to running crack, and digging out life in a walmart

[mrob]

sadly I disagree with many of you. Unfortunately that is just not the circumstances most of these children have been "abandoned" over. Most of these parents are desperate for help and there just are no resources. Case in point at least 12 of these parents and 5 that have traveled in from out of state to drop their kids off have been through the mental health system red tape nightmare trying to get the help for their kids and being shut out at every angle.. but make them a ward of the state and give up your parental rights all 17 of those kids got placed into residential treatment facilities and are finally getting the care they need.

I dont agree with the i just cant do it discard like old luggage shit but thats not been the case in the majority of these kids.. and really lets be honest would you want to be raised by someone who didnt want to raise you if that was the case? All thats asking for is more problems.

I guess Im a little bit biased because of my situation with my child and knowing how difficult it is to navigate the system without millions of dollars to get specialized treatment relying just on the HMO's or medicaid. I know its something many many many of you cannot even comprehend that parents have to sometimes go down to absolute nothing to take care of their children but they do.. and then the red tape disaster is criminal. How disgusting is it that in America we really do have a system where the system says I cant help you unless you give up all your parental rights.. but thats the case in all 50 states.. the differences is to do it in Nebraska you're not charged with child abandonment and lose your other children to foster homes as well.

[MiSdIrEcTeD_1]

I dont agree with the i just cant do it discard like old luggage shit but thats not been the case in the majority of these kids.. and really lets be honest would you want to be raised by someone who didnt want to raise you if that was the case? All thats asking for is more problems.


Youre absolutely right in this respect... They stand a better chance at being upstanding citezens if raised in a loving, oppurtunistic environment. Better for themselves and therfore better for society...
:werd:

[TexRob]

I have a 6 year old and a 4 yr old. They are like your best friends when they get that age. How anyone could do that to their own should be stoned to death. There are better ways to get help if your not able to properly care for these kids then chosing the abandonment route.Exactly! I have a 5 Year old and a 2 1/2 Year old,there is no way in hell I would ever abandon them for any reason! Now I have to get off the Computer,my 5 year old is bugging me to get off so he can play solitare again... :leaving:

[FASTASP]

The system is broken plain and simple.

[chef]

Then I must be the odd duck here. I can understand the idea of having so many issues with a newbourn that the health of the child or mother be at risk, BUT we have cases of teenagers being dropped off at the hospital.

Red tape being what it is, there has to be a better way to maintain the family unit.

[SUN RA KAT]

Then I must be the odd duck here. I can understand the idea of having so many issues with a newbourn that the health of the child or mother be at risk, BUT we have cases of teenagers being dropped off at the hospital.

Red tape being what it is, there has to be a better way to maintain the family unit.

The law needs to be amended ASAP to be what it was supposed to be and even that may not be a good law.

[a66cobra1]

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[mrob]

Sadly enough, this is only the tip of the iceberg. Unfortunately, what normally has to happen is they get smacked around, abused (physically and/or sexually), neglected, etc until the State steps in and takes them in to a Foster Home scenario.

Too often, the kids that finally end up in foster care, have seen so much harsh treatment that the scars are lifelong.

A person needs a license to operate a motor vehicle but any asshole can have a kid. SAD.



MROB, I feel for you man. It sounds like you are certainly the exception to the rule with your own child. God Bless you and your family my friend.but see thats just it. Im NOT the exception to the rule. what this lil blunder in legislation showed is that theres a lot of families out there that need help. The system is broken, it shouldnt take those measures to get help for you child and hopefully they will fix the law to avoid the abandonment shit but will open eyes to the issue of what is lacking in the mental health system for minors.

[a66cobra1]

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[b3rndtt0ast]

if the mother worked nights.... she could support her kids! or work while they are at school... i bet (at least a few..) are driving around in some impala on 24's....

[torquemonster]

if the mother worked nights.... she could support her kids! or work while they are at school... i bet (at least a few..) are driving around in some impala on 24's....

Capitalism / socialism - the old argument. It can be argued both ways to equal effect. Some would argue that a solo mother that has to hold down 2-3 jobs represents child abandonment.

I think there is room for benign socialism to help those less fortunate if there is taxation. If there is no taxation, then it is for charities to look after those that are unable to provide for themselves. Those who have enough should support charities unless their wallet is as tight as a salmons ass - watertight - in which case Scrooges should die alone. Whatever the arguments, tax is a modern day fact regardless that it is a tenant of marxism - so we live with it.

Taxation feeding a fat bureaucracy is one of the modern world's greatest evils IMHO. Taxation only makes any sense if real people who need it get help. Normally, "help" should be a stopgap until people find their feet, it should not support porch monkeys who live 3-4 generations depending on govt aid but are capable of work.

Personally I don't mind supporting via taxes (if I have to pay taxes) the old (because govt stole their taxes during their working lives), solo mothers who were abandoned (tho that is so open to abuse, but I feel for the abandoned), and those unable to care for themselves or caught out by short term crisis beyond their control. I do mind taxes paying for social engineering, black budgets, and bullshit.

I've had 3 whiskeys and am watching the world cup semi's on rugby league so feel particularly qualified to have an opinion :haha:

[a66cobra1]

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[HIGHPSI]

It is thanks to a disposable attitude. Over the last 20 years we have seen a marked decrease in the social fabric that makes up this country. Not just morals, but the decrease in the nuclear family, the ethics of business, failure of government to perform. In the past divorce was not heard of; it was something that wasn't considered a right thing to do. You worked something out, but it was within the family.

Now we have families with two moms, two dads, and a guy who claims to be a girl having kids. We let the TV mind the kids, and Jerry Springer, Judge Judy, and what else there is teach the standards we all were not exposed to.

Are their times to drop the kids off? If needed I'd rather see that than a kid abused. But a family is to be together not splintered. I've seen my parents argue, we all have. But there are other options than dump the kids at the shelter and go back to running crack, and digging out life in a walmart


I agree. No way on this earth could I give up a kid especially my own.

[mrob]

this isnt just a welfare situation though, its easy to sit there and pass it off as that but in truth its not. A lil bit about myself when makes me a tad nervous with freaks watching but I got pregnant with my oldest at 18 and my youngest at 21. I dropped out of highschool in 10th grade and have for all intents and purposes been on my own since I was 14 years old, staying with friends and on the streets because I was kicked out and have no relationship with my parents. BUT through all of that I managed to get my GED get some sort of schooling and be off of all welfare before I was 23 with 2 kids.. it can be done but its crazy fucking difficult. In MY case my youngest son is aspergers autistic bi polar with ODD. I went from making over 60k a year at 25 to not being able to work at all outside my home to care for my child and having to find alternate means (ie pornish shit see my big long thread for my details) in order to provide for my family and bills.. then that option was taken away from me and I had no choice but get on medicaid and force my income under a certain threshold so that I could maintain my sons 2100.00 a month prescriptions.. and into all the red tape of the system trying to get him help.. The system absolutely traps people and its ridiculous... But even on a HMO it is nearly impossible to get correct medical treatment because of the hoops the HMO's and the mental health system make you jump through. The medical and government see mental health issues in children under the age of 16 to be a parental issue, environment issue etc etc.. rather than treat an actual illness they are more apt to point the finger at you and say your a bad parent and the kid still doesn't get what he needs years after jumping through all the hoops... I can certainly understand the frustration of the parents who let their older child go so they could get the help they needed.. but it shouldn't be that way. The system and not just the welfare system is completely broken.. Ive been on both sides of the fence on this.. neither side is good.

This is such a hot bed issue for me because Ive battled it for years with a kid thats had mental health professionals who actually get in far enough to look say we dont know what to do we dont have the resources.. Ive been told to give him up to the state so they can bypass the tape and put him in a residential despite the fact Id be charged with the crime of child abandonment and my 15 year old would go to a foster home despite the fact hes happy and healthy with no issues outside the normal issues for a teenage boy and well provided for. They cant take one child without taking all the kids but the only way to bypass the HMO red tape and mental health round robin is to have a judge place them.. Thats reality whether your on welfare or not. Private insurance or medicaid they still only pay for 30 days a year.. what do you do when your child needs intensive treatment for 18 months with reintegration into the world and family home??

You go through hell or hope for the mega millions.. thats what you do.

Theres no way in HELL I would let my kid go to the state and leave him like that despite the fact hes not getting the full medical treatment he needs I refuse to be taken out of that equation and not being a part of his medical care and life. So the only option is to get rich and private pay at a residential or play the fucking game.

I dont agree with the i cant take care of get rid of them, dont feel like being a parent anymore.. no those parents should be charged with child abandonment and thank christ the kids can get placed in homes and hopefully wont be shuffled around a zillion times etc etc.. but for these older kids.. 17 of these kids have been placed in medical facilities and are finally getting the care they need. Thats disgusting. Whether they fix the law or not the whole country needs to wake up to this epidemic that is happening and that parents welfare or not lack the resources to get their kids the help they need.

[TexRob]

Major problem is this:

If someone is on welfare, medicare and food stamps and then goes out and gets a job because they want to try to make a better way ahead, they lose the welfare, medicare, food stamps.

This is a trap for those on welfare and sadly creates a situation that they can never get out of
I agree that's a horrible catch 22,I would rather have people on Welfare that are actually working and trying to get ahead,rather than some of the Generational Welfare people out there waiting for the check every month,without once getting off their Ass to try and better their families situation.

[v10kingsnake]

Sadly enough, this is only the tip of the iceberg. Unfortunately, what normally has to happen is they get smacked around, abused (physically and/or sexually), neglected, etc until the State steps in and takes them in to a Foster Home scenario.

Too often, the kids that finally end up in foster care, have seen so much harsh treatment that the scars are lifelong.

A person needs a license to operate a motor vehicle but any asshole can have a kid. SAD.



MROB, I feel for you man. It sounds like you are certainly the exception to the rule with your own child. God Bless you and your family my friend.
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