Nebraska to Alter Safe Haven law... (spinoff)

[MiSdIrEcTeD_1]

In reference to the other thread HERE, this is the latest on the safe haven law... Unbelievable about the 12 year old boy mentioned within...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/15/AR2008111502416.html?hpid=moreheadlines

[torquemonster]

It's pretty tragic :confused:

In some cases the social engineers are to blame for teaching the sheeple over the past 20 odd years that the child cannot be disciplined and where the kids have been taught to report on their own parents if they get hit.

Don't get me wrong - child abuse is wrong - but genuine love sometimes needs a firm hand so the child learns boundaries or they can become uncontrollable and useless to society.

End result is a generation of ill disciplined kids that think the sun shines out of their ass, who know that nobody can touch them, and that their parents are nothing but a wallet and annoying waste of space they have to tolerate while they get fed and sheltered until it is time to leave.

I've seen a 7 year old boy spit into his fathers eye in public and then shout abuse at him and humiliate him. Parents like that should have been sterilized, but there's thousands of them, and they're not all poor either - a lot of spoilt shitheads out there with well to do parents that get no respect , some for good reason, some just loss of control where power is taken away from the parent to be able to cope.

It is easy to blame the parents in all cases, but sheep learn what they are taught, so the real problem is with the asswipes with Dr in front of their names that started this shit and got laws passed. God help us all if the next generation continues these trends .

Kind, loving, caring, but strict parents are a dying breed

[mrob]

I've seen a 7 year old boy spit into his fathers eye in public and then shout abuse at him and humiliate him. Parents like that should have been sterilized, but there's thousands of them, and they're not all poor either - a lot of spoilt shitheads out there with well to do parents that get no respect , some for good reason, some just loss of control where power is taken away from the parent to be able to cope.

It is easy to blame the parents in all cases, but sheep learn what they are taught, so the real problem is with the asswipes with Dr in front of their names that started this shit and got laws passed. God help us all if the next generation continues these trends .

Kind, loving, caring, but strict parents are a dying breed
"Of the first 30 children abandoned in Nebraska, 27 had received mental health services"

See Barry I have a problem with your statements above because that simply is not always the case.. its just not. People are so quick to blame the parents but some mental health issues are just that.. health issues. Medical issues. Im not saying Dr's dont over diagnose shit like ADHD but they way under diagnose many many many other disorders that are caused by real medical disorders and not fixed by Ritalin. Case in point again I'll use my son... at 3 he was hospitalized in a day program because of issues I was having with him that ultimately turned out to be a form of high functioning autism.. but at the time he was diagnosed ADHD.. they gave him Ritalin and he went fucking insane to the degree he had to be placed in a jacket and put in a padded room till it wore off. He's been on every ADHD medication over the years all the the same type of result.. but his behavior as a result of these medications which is like giving a small child cocaine if they are not in fact ADHD was blamed on ME.. It took 8 years of poking and proding and years of this kid feeling like he was broken and just a bad kid n not normal to get an accurate diagnosis. In that time he learned how to manipulate and play the system.. There was a point in time where he called me a "stupid whore" at age 9 and hit me with a baseball bat at 10. I promise you I didnt teach him that. Is that because Im a shitty parent or because I noticed there was a problem with my sons development early and he spent the first years of his life on every medication but the right ones which made him borderline insane and impacted him socially negatively to the point he now views himself as worthless and rotten always doing bad things and tries to overcompensate to make and keep friends? How as a parent do you undo that? You took him to the Dr, you gave him the medications the Dr.s told you he needed.. you got second and third opinions because you knew something wasnt right and every direction you were told well its not the medications what are you doing at home?

Everybody wants to blame the parents.. Im not saying there are not bad parents out there cuz THERE ARE.. but in truth thats part of the epidemic of this whole fucking ordeal its so easy to point the finger at the people usually doing everything they can and giving up everything trying to get their kid the help they need.

You have NO IDEA what that 7 year olds issue was or what the situation is in that household. you're just trained to judge because you can't fathom that there are kids out there with real issues and Dr's filling them with drugs they dont need and make them crazy rather than dig deep and finding the real issue. Case in point that 8 year old that shot and killed his father and his fathers friend.. at age 8. Was that because of bad parenting or does this kid have serious mental health issues? Why is it that we blame all mental health problems on parents? Personality disorders ok I can see that since the bulk of them are caused by environmental factors.. but bi polar, schizifrenia, aspergers, OCD.. why does the system throw these kids on Ritilin say ADHD and then blame the parents who have to spend years and years and the fall out of the real issue not getting treated and then the kids wrecked.. I had to move OUT of the state of nebraska to have my son properly evaluated and diagnosed.. 2 years on the CORRECT medication and hes night and fucking day. now I just fight the after affects of behavior issues and trying to get him socially and emotionally up to his age level.. something very difficult to do as a single woman when hes cognitively developed to the age of a 6 year old with the strength of a 5'5" 155lb 12 year old boy. He weighs more than me.

its not ALWAYS the parents fault..

Everybody I know is in Nebraska.. and I got about 12 phone calls telling me to bring my son to Nebraska and drop him off so he could get into residential for extensive behavior mod n therapy.. and I wont lie and say I didnt have to think REALLY REALLY HARD about it.. but ultimately I refuse to give up my ability to be there for him and my leaving him would be about the most devastating traumatic thing that could ever happen to him.. so there was no way it I was going to do that.. But I sure as hell empathize with some of the parents who did just that.. what a gut wrenching decision to make and follow through with.

[torquemonster]

Hey Mrob - nothing at all I said above invalidates anything you said. When there are mental health issues it is a different ballgame - I was only talking about the part of the child neglect problem stemming from social engineering, bad parenting, and shithead kids.

Your situation is completely different and I really feel for what you've been through.

As someone who lives in a nation with social welfare on another level I can tell you that the USA is a very harsh land for the disadvantaged. Not going to give an opinion on what is right or wrong about that, but the nature of the programs in the US make it bloody hard for those that need help to get it in some cases.

Over here, qualification for support is much easier provided you fit one of the categories, plus healthcare is either free or subsidized for NZ residents.