2008 Viper 0-200 mph in 55 sec....

[MarshallTK]

YouTube - 0 - 200 MPH in a 2008 Dodge Viper ( Pop Evil 100 in a 55 )

Yep, 55 sec. I thought it would of been faster but, i guess not....That puts the ZR1 faster to 200 mph.... :(.

Heres another test with a Viper and ZR1 tested together same day, ZR1 hit 0-186 mph faster also.... :cursin:

YouTube - NEW Highspeed Test @ NARDO - Chevrolet Corvette ZR1, Mercedes SL65 AMG Prototyp, Porsche 911 GT2, Lamborghini Gallardo LP 560-4, Aston Martin DBS, Dodge Viper SRT-10 (German TV)

[MiSdIrEcTeD_1]

YouTube - 0 - 200 MPH in a 2008 Dodge Viper ( Pop Evil 100 in a 55 ) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT3C8zRaTvs)

Yep, 55 sec. I thought it would of been faster but, i guess not....That puts the ZR1 faster to 200 mph.... :(.

Heres another test with a Viper and ZR1 tested together same day, ZR1 hit 0-186 mph faster also.... :cursin:

YouTube - NEW Highspeed Test @ NARDO - Chevrolet Corvette ZR1, Mercedes SL65 AMG Prototyp, Porsche 911 GT2, Lamborghini Gallardo LP 560-4, Aston Martin DBS, Dodge Viper SRT-10 (German TV) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WqQ-bSr8hg)

Well, I guess that makes it official that it's time for you to move on over to the Corvette forums.... :facepalm:

You have to stop buying in to all this "Car and Driver" type testing. Playing the lets compare numbers in a magazine game is lame. Besides, everyone knows that stock cars are lame...

[InjOnly]

Besides, everyone knows that stock cars are lame...

Shave and a haircut.................

[Hamrhead]

Fuck 200mph.

My 3.55's are going in next week!:D

[MarshallTK]

Fuck 200mph.

My 3.55's are going in next week!:D

LMAO!!!!

Dude, its time for me to buy an 08 Viper and NA tune that motha fucka so good that it hits 300 mph in about.... 0.001 seconds and 309 mph in 5 years.

But no, honestly i thought it would of hit 200 mph faster.

And vette forums seem to lack....IQish. Or at least everyone sounds 10 years old.

[MiSdIrEcTeD_1]

And vette forums seem to lack....IQish. Or at least everyone sounds 10 years old.

http://images.starcraftmazter.net/4chan/for_forums/irony.jpg

[mr viper]

Fuck 200mph.

My 3.55's are going in next week!:D
:thumbs:

[MarshallTK]

http://images.starcraftmazter.net/4chan/for_forums/irony.jpg

Misdirected....How many times do i have to tell you not to talk about yourself in Public....We all know your IQ is in around 21, i mean sorry i was off my a couple decimal points, .21. But you dont need to keep reminding us. :rofl:

No but really though, when i put my Viper bias-ism down when i posted this thread, it really doesn't make sense because watch ------------> In every comparison the Viper is in, it always loses and or its performance isnt up to par with other Vehicles tested on the same day, Not by one magazine or one car testing place (w.e the hell they call themselves these days), but in all of them!!!!

But heres whats confusing, Remember that one comparison where The Viper, ZR1, Mercedez, and the LP640 were tested all together, The Viper was fastest to 150 mph or second, The lambo did it in 16.1 vs 16.4, but we all know the lambo will win in top end because of the higher top speed, plus aerodynamics, and the 440grand it costs, it has to come with something. Thats a given.

Viper beat the ZR1 to 150 by a car length, but lets make it a 0-186 mph race, The viper should still be in the lead, and do it quicker because of its power band. But some how the ZR1 manages to fly past a Viper in other comparisons, as if 150-186 mph it gets a random boost to pass the viper. So that doesn't make sense.

Heres some more bullshit. In this Video it took the Viper 55 sec to hit 200 mph. So from 186 mph to 200 is 14 mph. And from 150 to 186 mph is 36 mph.

Now when a car is being pushed to its limits in achieving a top speed, it will accelerate alot slower and it will need more time. But the Viper did a 186-200 mph in 9 seconds while 150-186 took 30 secs. The viper still has power at that speed and gear, and the car isnt pushed to its limits yet.

So in Conclusion the 0-186 mph in 46.6s is bullshit its around 36.6s. Why did that Video show it took 46.6s? I dont know, maybe he didnt punch, maybe they did one run, or maybe im wrong, Maybe the ZR1 is faster than the Viper to 186 mph. But then again the numbers dont add.

Plus the ZR1s corrected top speed is 200.4 mph. So the Viper is faster by 2 mph.

Just me 2 cent opinion on bullshit that doesn't make sense.
-Marshall

[-FROG-]

Vipers are slow... That video proves it.

[MiSdIrEcTeD_1]

Misdirected....How many times do i have to tell you not to talk about yourself in Public....We all know your IQ is in around 21, i mean sorry i was off my a couple decimal points, .21. But you dont need to keep reminding us. :rofl:

No but really though, when i put my Viper bias-ism down when i posted this thread, it really doesn't make sense because watch ------------> In every comparison the Viper is in, it always loses and or its performance isnt up to par with other Vehicles tested on the same day, Not by one magazine or one car testing place (w.e the hell they call themselves these days), but in all of them!!!!

But heres whats confusing, Remember that one comparison where The Viper, ZR1, Mercedez, and the LP640 were tested all together, The Viper was fastest to 150 mph or second, The lambo did it in 16.1 vs 16.4, but we all know the lambo will win in top end because of the higher top speed, plus aerodynamics, and the 440grand it costs, it has to come with something. Thats a given.

Viper beat the ZR1 to 150 by a car length, but lets make it a 0-186 mph race, The viper should still be in the lead, and do it quicker because of its power band. But some how the ZR1 manages to fly past a Viper in other comparisons, as if 150-186 mph it gets a random boost to pass the viper. So that doesn't make sense.

Heres some more bullshit. In this Video it took the Viper 55 sec to hit 200 mph. So from 186 mph to 200 is 14 mph. And from 150 to 186 mph is 36 mph.

Now when a car is being pushed to its limits in achieving a top speed, it will accelerate alot slower and it will need more time. But the Viper did a 186-200 mph in 9 seconds while 150-186 took 30 secs. The viper still has power at that speed and gear, and the car isnt pushed to its limits yet.

So in Conclusion the 0-186 mph in 46.6s is bullshit its around 36.6s. Why did that Video show it took 46.6s? I dont know, maybe he didnt punch, maybe they did one run, or maybe im wrong, Maybe the ZR1 is faster than the Viper to 186 mph. But then again the numbers dont add.

Plus the ZR1s corrected top speed is 200.4 mph. So the Viper is faster by 2 mph.

Just me 2 cent opinion on bullshit that doesn't make sense.
-Marshall


http://formorethanprofit.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/asleep-at-desk.jpg

[N2 TRBL]

I personally find these cock measuring contests funny. :lol:

These "tests" should be taken as exhibitions, for entertainment and no more.

Then again, it's a practical way to gage which car you will buy. I drive my slow (and old) Z06 everyday. I could have used this input before i bought it seeing as I hit 200+ on a daily basis.

[InjOnly]

I personally find these cock measuring contests funny. :lol:

These "tests" should be taken as exhibitions, for entertainment and no more.

Then again, it's a practical way to gage which car you will buy. I drive my slow (and old) Z06 everyday. I could have used this input before i bought it seeing as I hit 200+ on a daily basis.

I have to assume you take the beltway then. :rofl:

I imagine he'll test that 272 top speed via the beltway

[N2 TRBL]

I have to assume you take the beltway then. :rofl:
:shady: maybe?

[MarshallTK]

I didnt post this to show put down the Viper or for you guys to panic and hide under a rock. I posted it so you guys can take a closer look and see whats up once for all, Is the Viper faster than a zr1? are they Equal? Or is the ZR1 faster?

But honestly, It doesn't make sense. I have come to one conclusion to why the viper sucks in top end even though the dyno graph shows it has it.

Vipers Prime power is between 5,000 rpm and 5,500 rpm. But, it has extremely tall gearing, so every time you up shift to a higher gear your rpms drop lower than that, so it will take a while before the viper hits its prime power point to accelerate alot faster. So after 150 mph the Viper turns into a slug, at least my conclusion.

Heres why the ZR1 is faster, Its prime power is between 4,000rpm and 4,5000rpm, So you can always stay in that range anytime you want and get its prime power. Not to mention the gas you save, reliability and stability of the engine. So every tiem you upshift in the ZR1 you have prime power, because you shift between those points, Down side? When your in 5th gear and you pass 4500 rpm, But by then your hitting 190 mph. So it doesn't matter.

Does anyone agree? Can you guys find out what else could of given the ZR1 the edge?

Another Conclusion i an draw is that the altitude was too high, so the viper didn't get enough air in the engine, because at higher altitudes less air, ZR1 is supercharged so its always getting air.

[Sadistic]

Vipers need 3.55 gears in the rear. Even the SRT engineers suggest the swap for performance.

When My SRT repeatedly whooped Z06 ass, I wondered what was going on after reading so many times that the Z should win. When it dynoed at 467hp(bone stock), I wondered no more. My GTS with smooth tubes, cherry bombs in place of cats and Corsa 3" is dynoing in the high 480 range. With just some more minor tweaks, both will be over 500rwhp. Once I do my Stryker heads, cam, intake, belanger headers mods, I will be looking at some 600rwhp or more. I also have some carpet cleaning chemical tricks. A can of paint remover mixed @ 4:1 with rust remover (1 gallon per tankful) yields a 15rwhp increase. If I add hydrogen peroxide, we're looking at an increase of 40rwhp. Some of these jerkoffs try to ridicule me on grounds of my business. They won't be laughing when my car somehow dynos some 70rwhp more than other cars with similar mods.

Marshall, you should see my 1968 vette. That monster whooped a C6Z06 by some 6 car lengths. I have not dynoed it yet but I am expecting it to pull well over 650rwhp N/A on the most conservative dyno. Here's the real shit kicker! It will outcorner a new ZR1! Our own beloved Disturbed wanted no part of the vette with his 565rwhp Viper, once he heard the ape running in my garage. What's it got, you ask? 454 big block 11:1 solid roller cam .646 lift 242 duration @ .050, 5 speed Tremek TKO600, Weiand TeamG open plenum intake, stainless roller rockers, stud girdle, Pro Topline aluminum heads with 2.30 intake valves, custom made Stahl sidepipe headers with spiral baffles, aluminum flywheel, fluid damper, electronic MSD6AL ignition and distributor, BG Mighty Demon 850 carb, K&N filters, lightweight starter, a one off billet aluminum bell housing from Lakewood, underdrive billet aluminum pulleys, high flow Weiand water pump and a whole lot more. With my carpet cleaning additives, god only knows what it would pump out. It also weighs in well under 3000 pounds.

[No Man]

Vipers need 3.55 gears in the rear. Even the SRT engineers suggest the swap for performance.

When My SRT repeatedly whooped Z06 ass, I wondered what was going on after reading so many times that the Z should win. When it dynoed at 467hp(bone stock), I wondered no more. My GTS with smooth tubes, cherry bombs in place of cats and Corsa 3" is dynoing in the high 480 range. With just some more minor tweaks, both will be over 500rwhp. Once I do my Stryker heads, cam, intake, belanger headers mods, I will be looking at some 600rwhp or more. I also have some carpet cleaning chemical tricks. A can of paint remover mixed @ 4:1 with rust remover (1 gallon per tankful) yields a 15rwhp increase. If I add hydrogen peroxide, we're looking at an increase of 40rwhp. Some of these jerkoffs try to ridicule me on grounds of my business. They won't be laughing when my car somehow dynos some 70rwhp more than other cars with similar mods.

Marshall, you should see my 1968 vette. That monster whooped a C6Z06 by some 6 car lengths. I have not dynoed it yet but I am expecting it to pull well over 650rwhp N/A on the most conservative dyno. Here's the real shit kicker! It will outcorner a new ZR1! Our own beloved Disturbed wanted no part of the vette with his 565rwhp Viper, once he heard the ape running in my garage. What's it got, you ask? 454 big block 11:1 solid roller cam .646 lift 242 duration @ .050, 5 speed Tremek TKO600, Weiand TeamG open plenum intake, stainless roller rockers, stud girdle, Pro Topline aluminum heads with 2.30 intake valves, custom made Stahl sidepipe headers with spiral baffles, aluminum flywheel, fluid damper, electronic MSD6AL ignition and distributor, BG Mighty Demon 850 carb, K&N filters, lightweight starter, a one off billet aluminum bell housing from Lakewood, underdrive billet aluminum pulleys, high flow Weiand water pump and a whole lot more. With my carpet cleaning additives, god only knows what it would pump out. It also weighs in well under 3000 pounds.


Well I'm sure as hell glad you don't work at your local sewer sanitation plant. I wouldn't want to hear you were pouring shit in a Viper gas tank.

[MiSdIrEcTeD_1]

I didnt post this to show put down the Viper or for you guys to panic and hide under a rock. I posted it so you guys can take a closer look and see whats up once for all, Is the Viper faster than a zr1? are they Equal? Or is the ZR1 faster?

But honestly, It doesn't make sense. I have come to one conclusion to why the viper sucks in top end even though the dyno graph shows it has it.

Vipers Prime power is between 5,000 rpm and 5,500 rpm. But, it has extremely tall gearing, so every time you up shift to a higher gear your rpms drop lower than that, so it will take a while before the viper hits its prime power point to accelerate alot faster. So after 150 mph the Viper turns into a slug, at least my conclusion.

Heres why the ZR1 is faster, Its prime power is between 4,000rpm and 4,5000rpm, So you can always stay in that range anytime you want and get its prime power. Not to mention the gas you save, reliability and stability of the engine. So every tiem you upshift in the ZR1 you have prime power, because you shift between those points, Down side? When your in 5th gear and you pass 4500 rpm, But by then your hitting 190 mph. So it doesn't matter.

Does anyone agree? Can you guys find out what else could of given the ZR1 the edge?

Another Conclusion i an draw is that the altitude was too high, so the viper didn't get enough air in the engine, because at higher altitudes less air, ZR1 is supercharged so its always getting air.


NO.

[No Man]

I volunteer on Saturday's in the produce section at a local Albertsons. I think I just may try squeezing some bell pepper juice in my GTS gas tank and have it re-dynoed to see if I can spice up the numbers.

[tucker]

I too have found a product from my place of work that builds a tremendous amount of horsepower, while also creating a ton of ton of smoke. Some have found success with N20 and propane, but black toner from a Docutech works for me. I have a custom button mounted on the dash to reduce or enlarge the size of the smoke, and I can make it darker or lighter as well. Every now and again, I will actually scan and email some smoke to someone. Hell, I grab another 30RWHP when I am faxing. This shit is awesome.

Please excuse the pictures. I am working on some custom billet clamps to hold the bottles in place.

[tucker]

If I ever track this bitch, I often run CMY toner as my race additive. I find the black toner to cause some sputtering down low when combined with the CMY. If I set my user interface to dark and put her on photo mode, this mother fucker will flat out scoot.

[InjOnly]

I too have found a product from my place of work that builds a tremendous amount of horsepower, while also creating a ton of ton of smoke. Some have found success with N20 and propane, but black toner from a Docutech works for me. I have a custom button mounted on the dash to reduce or enlarge the size of the smoke, and I can make it darker or lighter as well. Every now and again, I will actually scan and email some smoke to someone. Hell, I grab another 30RWHP when I am faxing. This shit is awesome.

Please excuse the pictures. I am working on some custom billet clamps to hold the bottles in place.

As expensive as toner is now I can only hope your set up uses a refillable cartridge. :thumbs:

http://www.tonerrefillkits.com/images/logo1.gif

[No Man]

I just discovered that the coyote that was hit by that NASCAR driver has recovered and got the speed bug as a result. In a shameless act of copyright infringement, he stole Sadi's idea and strapped a bottle of Clean Craft Just Magic Ultimate Stain and Spotter to his canyon rocket for an unparalleled increase in range and thrust. The Roadrunner is fucked for sure.

[Sadistic]

Well I'm sure as hell glad you don't work at your local sewer sanitation plant. I wouldn't want to hear you were pouring shit in a Viper gas tank.
Any dipshit worth a damn knows that dog shit is worth 50% more boost than human shit, although I am willing to bet that you lay some old man foggers that yield some heavy methane boost.

[No Man]

Any dipshit worth a damn knows that dog shit is worth 50% more boost than human shit, although I am willing to bet that you lay some old man foggers that yield some heavy methane boost.


Hey twinkle toes, look out in front of you!

http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv258/InjOnly/slap.gif

[tucker]

Hey twinkle toes, look out in front of you!




You fell for that tap on the head?:haha:

[InjOnly]

You fell for that tap on the head?:haha:

STFU, I didn't tap nobody. :shady:

[N2 TRBL]

:lol: why the shirt always gotta come off?Hey twinkle toes, look out in front of you!

http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv258/InjOnly/slap.gif

[Sadistic]

:lol: why the shirt always gotta come off?

Watch the video closely and you will recognize how well it adds to the "dork effect".

[MarshallTK]

Vipers need 3.55 gears in the rear. Even the SRT engineers suggest the swap for performance.

When My SRT repeatedly whooped Z06 ass, I wondered what was going on after reading so many times that the Z should win. When it dynoed at 467hp(bone stock), I wondered no more. My GTS with smooth tubes, cherry bombs in place of cats and Corsa 3" is dynoing in the high 480 range. With just some more minor tweaks, both will be over 500rwhp. Once I do my Stryker heads, cam, intake, belanger headers mods, I will be looking at some 600rwhp or more. I also have some carpet cleaning chemical tricks. A can of paint remover mixed @ 4:1 with rust remover (1 gallon per tankful) yields a 15rwhp increase. If I add hydrogen peroxide, we're looking at an increase of 40rwhp. Some of these jerkoffs try to ridicule me on grounds of my business. They won't be laughing when my car somehow dynos some 70rwhp more than other cars with similar mods.

Marshall, you should see my 1968 vette. That monster whooped a C6Z06 by some 6 car lengths. I have not dynoed it yet but I am expecting it to pull well over 650rwhp N/A on the most conservative dyno. Here's the real shit kicker! It will outcorner a new ZR1! Our own beloved Disturbed wanted no part of the vette with his 565rwhp Viper, once he heard the ape running in my garage. What's it got, you ask? 454 big block 11:1 solid roller cam .646 lift 242 duration @ .050, 5 speed Tremek TKO600, Weiand TeamG open plenum intake, stainless roller rockers, stud girdle, Pro Topline aluminum heads with 2.30 intake valves, custom made Stahl sidepipe headers with spiral baffles, aluminum flywheel, fluid damper, electronic MSD6AL ignition and distributor, BG Mighty Demon 850 carb, K&N filters, lightweight starter, a one off billet aluminum bell housing from Lakewood, underdrive billet aluminum pulleys, high flow Weiand water pump and a whole lot more. With my carpet cleaning additives, god only knows what it would pump out. It also weighs in well under 3000 pounds.

Wow, Talk about badass. :thumbs:

You know exactly what your doing, Man that thing will kick ass, but at a price :)!


But see im more worried about the 08 Viper, because when it comes to mods, it extremely limited, and for the power it gains, its performance doesn't change much. But on the other hand the ZR1 makes lots of power and performance does change considerably. A simple pulley swap, ECU chip, k&N filter, headers, and exhaust will give it 750 hp!!!! On the other hand for the 08 Viper getting 700 hp....You need to polish your combustion chambers, change your cylinder heads, bigger intake manifolds, exhaust, ecu, headers ,catalytic converter and alot more.... you will be spending at least 30 grand on that bs.

So for tuning, The ZR1 is alot cheaper, bigger bang for your buck and performance changes considerably.

Now stock vs stock, the viper still doesn't have a chance in str8 line because the ZR1 does a mile in 29s @176 mph, and the viper is somewhere around....34-36s....which is very sad. Now if you say track, the viper puts down a slower slalom and pulls less Gs than a ZR1, so we all know what happens there. Yes we can Say ACR, but...its acceleration is slow, top speed is 176 mph, no radio, no other stuff. So id rather use an 08 Viper.

For a Viper fan, the 2008 viper is a big upset to me because one, IT CANNOT MAKE HUGE POWER Like the GTS or 2003-2006 Viper SRTS CAN FOR THE MONEY!!! SPEND 25 grand and you got 800-1000 hp!!!!!

SECOND IS THE RELIABILITY!!! The 08 with mods is no where near as reliable as a GTS with the same amount of mods, unless you spend like 50 grand. But why the fuck would i do that? I can buy another 2008 viper or a Z06.

AND THIRD!!! What happen to its beast like straight line performance like in its hay-day? :(

[Sadistic]

Marshall, do you not know that Underground recently completed a twin turbo '08 Viper? Supposedly, it responds with more power to boost than the '06 and earlier Vipers. Also, the Gen 4 Viper puts out about 700+ hp with only header, exhaust and a K&N filter setup. I'm not sure why you are saying that it does not respond to mods.

What are you talking about in your last statement ("What happened to its beast-like straight line performance........?"). The gen 4 Viper is faster than any previous Viper in stock form.

The ZR1 is a marketing disaster. It hasn't any status because it looks like any other vette, especially a Z06. GM should have made it look like a C6R with the wing and all, to better separate it from lower cost vettes. A Viper is a Viper and is far more prestigious in the working class sector than any vette.


Here's a pic of the vette, just after I got it back from being painted. The sidepipes are not even bolted on and the rocker panel moulding is not on the car. Still, you should get the idea.

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk288/Sadistic97/DeronandVettepics4002.jpg

[Sadistic]

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk288/Sadistic97/NewViperGTSpics030.jpg

[Sadistic]

I posted a pic of my GTS because it has all the potential performance that I need but has the look that only a GTS has. Here is a pic of my stock SRT Viper. http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk288/Sadistic97/Viperpics017.jpg

[No Man]

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk288/Sadistic97/DeronandVettepics4002.jpg

You have good taste as far as Vipers go. However, if you are going to let bodies decompose on your driveway, why not hit it with a power washer?

[tucker]

You have good taste as far as Vipers go. However, if you are going to let bodies decompose on your driveway, why not hit it with a power washer?

That isn't decomposition, rather just the excess cleaning products that have drained out of the Vipers after frequent trips to KFC.

[Sadistic]

You have good taste as far as Vipers go. However, if you are going to let bodies decompose on your driveway, why not hit it with a power washer?

The runoff fertilizes the grass (a tip given to me by King Heeb).

[Ripper]

Have any recent pics of the Vette ?

[Sadistic]

Have any recent pics of the Vette ?

No. It has been sitting in the garage all summer. It's too damn hot to be working on cars. Right now I am just concentrating on my business, not the cars. I'll take some pics of the engine etc. once it cools off a bit. I still have to get the headers/sidepipes ceramic coated as well.

[MarshallTK]

Marshall, do you not know that Underground recently completed a twin turbo '08 Viper? Supposedly, it responds with more power to boost than the '06 and earlier Vipers. Also, the Gen 4 Viper puts out about 700+ hp with only header, exhaust and a K&N filter setup. I'm not sure why you are saying that it does not respond to mods.

What are you talking about in your last statement ("What happened to its beast-like straight line performance........?"). The gen 4 Viper is faster than any previous Viper in stock form.

The ZR1 is a marketing disaster. It hasn't any status because it looks like any other vette, especially a Z06. GM should have made it look like a C6R with the wing and all, to better separate it from lower cost vettes. A Viper is a Viper and is far more prestigious in the working class sector than any vette.


Here's a pic of the vette, just after I got it back from being painted. The sidepipes are not even bolted on and the rocker panel moulding is not on the car. Still, you should get the idea.

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk288/Sadistic97/DeronandVettepics4002.jpg

Holy cow!!!! Damn that's a Nice Ride! Your going to love driving that thing once you finish it! Not to mention all the attention you'll be getting!!! I like it. :thumbs:

I like the color/rims on that GTS, man that car just says "ima badass". Nice SRT, are you planning on modding it or just leaving it stock? You should get an 08 Viper to complete that batch. :D

True the 08 viper is alot faster than any previous viper versions, but i only wish that it was faster than MOST production cars, or at least the down to business ones going around such as the 599 GTB, 911 GT2, LP640, ZR1 and other such cars. The Viper does have a big bang for its buck, especially when you get down to its performance and the amount of fun you can have in that thing. But i do truly believe that this car should be topping 220 mph and accelerating a lot more fiercely. Just look it at, its no push over. But sometimes it makes me wonder, if its just a show-off car, or a car that you use to really win a race.

What i mean that the viper doesnt respond much to these mods is, even with 700 hp at the crank, its Top end acceleration does not change much, 16.4s vs 14.7s to 150 mph, 1.7s difference, its basically a car length ahead. A ZR1 with the same mods pulls a 13.9s to 150 mph compared to 17.1s. It just gets more out of the engine, but then again it might be the supercharger.

True the ZR1 does have a similar resemblance to any Vette, but not by much, ive seen one entering the freeway, the sound it puts off and the new carbon fiber body does make it stand out. Its actually the first vette that's made me "AWE" besides any generation of the Viper.

[Sadistic]

Marshall, keep in mind that the Viper is coming from a broken down company. Their budget is not exactly conducive to lots of R&D.

[bushido]

Norm's LPE built all motor generation 2 Rt10 still amazes me to this day. No other NA Viper or vette( without any power adders) has ever come close to its performance..

http://www.drwieck.com/948.wmv

[MarshallTK]

Yea you do have a point their Sadistic, But they should of still made it Mod happy like previous versions. :sad:

I mean its getting so close that a GTR can make more power and get more performance out of that power.

^ Correct me if im wrong, Not pretty sure, but somewhat it feels like it does. Like those STAGE 2 or 3 GTRs with just exhaust, header, intake, and tune upgrades, plus the ECU swap. They seem like the out perform Vipers with any less of upgrades or exactly the same.

[Sadistic]

I don't pay any attention to anything GTR. It is like an ugly chick. If she's ugly, I don't give a shit how well she cooks, cleans, gardens, sucks dick or treats my kids; I'm not interested. If I am going to be lapping up that pig, she better look good. A GTR is an automotive gargoyle.

The truth is, a Viper will always win in the long run, due to cubic inches. I still don't understand why you say the new Viper is not mod friendly. On a Gen 3, you can change the headers, exhaust cats etc and gain nothing. In the Gen 4, you gain about 50 - 60 hp. Underground Racing has just completed a twin turbo Gen 4 and they say that it responds better than previous generations.

[MarshallTK]

:rofl:Thats true, no one likes fat chicks. They might eat your, meat thinking its a hot-dog. :scared: GTR seems to be out of place, using computers to drive for you and pushing your engine to the point where it will break to compare with cars that aren't even struggling but restricted.

Btw i heard the 08 Viper was SUPER restricted due to pass emissions from the increase of the engine displacement from 8.3L to 8.4L, so it was De-tuned to produce less power and torque, Is this True/False?

Well the only reason i say it is because the amount of performance change that happens when you slap on some mods. But you are right, UGR did state that, it also said it was faster than any TT viper. So i guess it is, but now does this mean you can also supercharge 08 Vipers, since they cracked into it?

But hears what i mean with the mods im talking about, Hennessey had tuned one N/A to 725 hp and 660 Torque, with these Mods.

High-Flow Cylinder Heads (intake = 355 cfm @ 0.600 inch cam lift)
Polished Combustion Chambers with 10.5:1 Compression Ratio
Ported Factory Intake Manifold
1 7/8 inch Stainless Steel Long Tube Headers
Full 3 inch Stainless Steel Exhaust System
High Flow Catalytic Converters
K&N Airfilter Element

Thats an easy 20 grand right there, and the change is practically nothing, runs 11.0 @ 134 1/4 miles. Also why doesn't the engine get more torque than HP in mods???? Its the torqueiest engine i have ever seen, sat in, driven. Compared to 11.2 @ 127 or 11.0 @ 129

[bushido]

:rofl:Thats true, no one likes fat chicks. They might eat your, meat thinking its a hot-dog. :scared: GTR seems to be out of place, using computers to drive for you and pushing your engine to the point where it will break to compare with cars that aren't even struggling but restricted.

Btw i heard the 08 Viper was SUPER restricted due to pass emissions from the increase of the engine displacement from 8.3L to 8.4L, so it was De-tuned to produce less power and torque, Is this True/False?

Well the only reason i say it is because the amount of performance change that happens when you slap on some mods. But you are right, UGR did state that, it also said it was faster than any TT viper. So i guess it is, but now does this mean you can also supercharge 08 Vipers, since they cracked into it?

But hears what i mean with the mods im talking about, Hennessey had tuned one N/A to 725 hp and 660 Torque, with these Mods.

High-Flow Cylinder Heads (intake = 355 cfm @ 0.600 inch cam lift)
Polished Combustion Chambers with 10.5:1 Compression Ratio
Ported Factory Intake Manifold
1 7/8 inch Stainless Steel Long Tube Headers
Full 3 inch Stainless Steel Exhaust System
High Flow Catalytic Converters
K&N Airfilter Element

Thats an easy 20 grand right there, and the change is practically nothing, runs 11.0 @ 134 1/4 miles. Also why doesn't the engine get more torque than HP in mods???? Its the torqueiest engine i have ever seen, sat in, driven. Compared to 11.2 @ 127 or 11.0 @ 129

Why are you so fascinated with the Viper?

[Sadistic]

First of all, Hennessey isn't cheap. You can buy all that stuff yourself and put it on for a hell of a lot less $$ than 20k. The point is, you can add similar mods to a Gen3 Viper and barely gain anything.

[MarshallTK]

I know that, but compared to the ZR1 or other such cars it competes against its near the middle if not the bottom.

[Sadistic]

A Viper will always have more performance potential than a ZR1 due to cubic inches. Think turbo, son and set your mind free at last.

The ZR1 is nothing more than another indication of how lost GM is. The hood is complete silliness. The fact that it looks like any other vette is a disaster. So what if it puts out 640hp with a supercharger on it! How much does a Gen 3 Viper put down with boost? A Paxton only costs about 8k and then there are turbos, Gen 3 or Gen 4. Come on now. Lets forget you brought up this subject, shall we?

[MarshallTK]

Haha, Alright fiiine. :)

Thanks Sadistic, Very good useful information for me and many other people that visit this forum.

Also have you seen any Vipers doing a mile run? Or do you know the trap speed after it hits the mile mark???

[Disturbed]

...Our own beloved Disturbed wanted no part of the vette with his 565rwhp Viper...


I think you have it backwards....I am STILL waiting for you to run me.

Now with this other GTS I have...it will be worse of a shit kicking your vette will get from me.

[Sadistic]

I think you have it backwards....I am STILL waiting for you to run me.

Now with this other GTS I have...it will be worse of a shit kicking your vette will get from me.

LOL! Where did you dig this thread up from? You already lost the race by default, some 3 weeks ago. Next time don't show up a month late to the challenge. :haha:

P.S. ******* is out in some mall parking lot in Daytona Beach, waiting to take your car down but if you don't show up, he'll find your house and circle it like a shark.:haha::rofl: Make sure you throw him a hamburger before going out there or it could get risky.

[Disturbed]

LOL! Where did you dig this thread up from? You already lost the race by default, some 3 weeks ago. Next time don't show up a month late to the challenge. :haha:

P.S. ******* is out in some mall parking lot in Daytona Beach, waiting to take your car down but if you don't show up, he'll find your house and circle it like a shark.:haha::rofl: Make sure you throw him a hamburger before going out there or it could get risky.



It's easy to show up late when you don't tell me about it. :haha:


Lets run. :thumbs:

Red vs Blue. 50-150mph.

I'm down on power...The Little Red Bitch is running on the stock PCM and has a bent shift fork.


Looser has to give said winner all casino cash.

[Sadistic]

I have no idea what that casino cash is for anyway. Did you forget that I am not a gambling man? However, if I were to bet my hard earned dollars on blue vs. red, in this case vintage gone wild vette vs. NA GTSR Oreca style Viper, I'd bet the farm on the car with the solid roller cam, sub 3000 pound weight (uh oh.......if my memory serves me correctly, you put that wart hog on a diet) and stunningly good looking man behind the wheel. Good god, I'd be lying if I did not notice how the females chase after you like children toward an ice cream truck. This could be a tough kill, after all but I'll be god damned if I am going to allow you to pull the boxes and blankets off of that howling automotive carcass and get the best of me.

[SpawnAero_John]

:eatpop: